"Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi" this Osho used to say to his Sannyasins and then continued "...take me and you can throw all you substances".
Often people who take drugs look for exstacy, enjoyment, another reality.
Hey people, wake up, the real drug is inside you and it does not ruin your body.
To be in Samadhi is not so cheap, drugs are just a short cut, a far away reflection of the real thing.
You can be on an ongoing trip but it needs your effort, the real ongoing Exstacy is available for everybody, who really wants it, the way is meditation...
Love to you and hope you are not yet to fucked up and still have enough energy to gather it and go for the real Trip...
Often people who take drugs look for exstacy, enjoyment, another reality.
Hey people, wake up, the real drug is inside you and it does not ruin your body.
To be in Samadhi is not so cheap, drugs are just a short cut, a far away reflection of the real thing.
You can be on an ongoing trip but it needs your effort, the real ongoing Exstacy is available for everybody, who really wants it, the way is meditation...
Love to you and hope you are not yet to fucked up and still have enough energy to gather it and go for the real Trip...
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Re: Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi -- perhaps to some
Tue, March 13, 2007 - 1:09 PMAgreed, to some extent.
But in our modern age of plentiful distractions and limited ritual opportunities to engage in our own rites of passage(s), certain compounds (some of which can be correctly categorised as "drugs" while others can't) commonly referred to as entheogens can and do in fact show the way to an otherwise closed off realm to many. Religious sacraments have been around since the dawn of time, long before Osho came around. All of man's artistic 'eras' have been influenced by psychoactive substances. Classical music for one... All music in fact. All art in fact. Cultures and religions even...
These exogenous illuminations I'm referring to are gifts mainly from the plant kingdom which must be recognised and respected at the very least for their historical significance. Some include the potential for abuse (but mainly when chemically altered). Abuse however in this case is a purely human trait which must be addressed within its appropriate psychological and limited human and individual context. I owe much of my own personal "awakening" and continued endogenous 'growth' inertia to initial plant based exogenous sacraments and neo pagan rituals. FYI, I am not talking about anything which ruins one's body. To the contrary even.
However true or applicable your statement may be to some, I do not subscribe to nor condone any dogmatic/removed invalidations of personally valuable experiences by anyone, including myself. All experience is valuable. Remember, Osho, however inspirational and great a teacher he may be is also only human.
All roads lead to Rome.
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Re: Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi
Tue, March 13, 2007 - 1:55 PMHAHAHAHAHA
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Re: Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi
Tue, March 13, 2007 - 2:01 PMTo each their own.
Remember that there is no such thing as a One True Path, for whatever path we make true, IS true.
"All roads lead to Rome" indeed! :D
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Re: Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi
Thu, August 16, 2007 - 4:39 PM"Samadhi - deep concentration, liberation, the eighth limb of astanga"
tell me if I understand this correctly. is Samadhi to mean the same as Satori - enlightenment, the ability to perceive the underlying principle of the world, "Buddha nature"?
we must first assume that indeed Samadhi can be attained through the aid of "Drugs".
if so you are saying that any such experience is not true enlightenment. that we can only understand the "underlying principle of the world" through our own efforts, unaided by chemicals. is this what you mean?
i will admit that i see some truth in what you've said. nevertheless, others say there is more than one path to enlightenment.
i have done some reading on the topic, i have meditated and practiced yoga, and i have also experienced altered states of consciousness through the use of psychedelics. i have not experienced Samadhi in any of those ways, but through each i've learned something about nature, my own and the worlds.
i don't believe drugs produce a false reality. perhaps they provide a shortcut to understanding, but there is nothing easy about it. it still takes ones own effort to make sense of experiences
if ones goal is true understanding and awareness then nothing should be disregarded. i think i am loosing the point.
this is something i am struggling with also. how far can i reach on my own, without a chemical catalyst or aid. it's still my mind that does the traveling, but there are barriers in the way...mental and physical.
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Re: Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 11:27 PMIn order to shortcut to a false Samadhi, first one has to believe in falseness, then Samadhi, then a 'True' samadhi. Isn't this an arbitrary distinction? I've reached what could be considered analogous to Samadhi through the use of psychedelics, and it certainly seemed pretty real to me... Making the distinction between internally-induced Samadhi and externally induced Samadhi is all in your own mind anyway. It seems to me that Samadhi is Samadhi no matter how you get there.
Isn't meditation an alteration of consciousness in itself? Then, what makes it any different than that induced by external sources?
I guess, if you WANTED to, you could differentiate the 2 states... But that doesn't mean that it is, in fact, 2 different states...
In my experience there is no ONE TRUE RIGHT WAY to do ANYTHING. And believing in one true right way seems to only support egotism and strife, "Ive got the right answer and you don't" sort of thinking. And anyone can see where thats gotten us after millenia of disagreements. Which is to say, not very much farther than we were 5000 years ago. -
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Re: Drugs-a short cut to false Samadhi
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:40 AMBrilliant answer Joe. I agree quite completely! =]
Meditation does change our brain chemistry as well. Dopamines are the brain's own opiates. Endogenic vs exogenic... chemistry all the same. But as you stated so well, there are many valid paths. In the end, all that truly matters is that you get 'there' for all the right reason(s).
Cheers!
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